Lazy Dog

Εαν η τιμη της 6800xt ειναι πραγματικα αυτη που παρουσιαστηκε(ή εστω παραπλησια) θα τσιμπησω μια αφου 3080FE δεν προκειται να βρω. 

1 hour ago, Lazy Dog said:

Ειναι πολυ λιγα τα κομματια που θα βγαλει. Μαλλον γι'αυτο

Ραδιο αρβυλα 

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While we don't report on production numbers externally, we will have products available via AIB partners and AMD.com at launch of Feb. 7, and we expect Radeon VII supply to meet demand from gamers. 

AMD Responds to Radeon VII Short Supply Rumours

Ειναι πολυ λιγα τα κομματια που θα βγαλει. Μαλλον γι'αυτο

Τουλαχιστον κατευθειαν απο amd θα την παρεις σιγουρα σε msrp 

7 hours ago, AKISSS said:

Μεσαίο τσιπακι μας έδειξε σύμφωνα με τα leaks ενός fanboy

Ανεξαρτητα του τι ειναι ο adored, πεφτει σχεδον παντα μεσα. Μην ξεχνας οτι μηνες πριν απο ολους ελεγε για chiplets και τον λεγανε τρελο  

Το οτι ειναι το μεσαιο chip το ειπε η ιδια η ιδια η Su μετα την παρουσιαση 

Δηλαδη τι παραπανω θελεις να σου δωσει; 

Σου εδειξε το "μεσαιο" τσιπακι(το οποιο δεν ειναι στην τελικη του μορφη) να παταει οτι καλυτερο εχει να δωσει αυτη τη στιγμη η intel(consumer cpu's) σε ενα benchmark....με πολυ χαμηλοτερη καταναλωση κ με μνημες στα 2666.

Ειναι νωρις ακομη για να πουμε κατι παραπανω 

edit Μεχρι κ πριν λιγες εβδομαδες ολοι φωναζανε για clocks κ ipc...Τωρα που απο οτι φαινεται τα δινει, δεν μας κανουν κ θελουμε κατι παραπανω;

Το mid range(ryzen 5) chip δειξανε, το οποιο απο οτι λεγεται(leaks) ετρεχε 3.7 base - 4.5 boost clocks...φαινεται ξεκαθαρα οτι θα υπαρξουν 12/16 core στο μελλον

Η Koolance ειχε/εχει βγαλει εδω κ παρα πολλα χρονια υδροψυκτο psu  

@GFFermari 2080Ti εχω 

αλλά "μισω" nvidia(για πολλους λογους)

24 minutes ago, konnos said:

Ποιά ρέστα... 650 ντολαρς MSRP δεν έχει;..

699

37 minutes ago, DEADLAZARUS said:

Και όταν τη δώσεις, ο καλός σου νεκρολάζαρος θα είναι εδώ για να σε απαλλάξει από την παρουσία της......

Μη χασεις εσυ

Παντως αν κρινω απο τα compute units που ειναι λιγοτερα απο την vega 64, εχω την αμυδρα εντυπωση πως αυτη εδω δεν ειναι το full chip

Προσωπικα δεν καταλαβαινω γιατι τοση γκρινια. Μια χαρα τη βλεπω την καρτουλα(με τα μεχρι τωρα δεδομενα) και περιμενω την υλοποιηση της Sapphire.

Αν ειναι στα επιπεδα μιας 2080, με μεγαλη μου χαρα θα δωσω την Ti μου για μια VII (κ με τα ρεστα κερναω ολο το Λαμπη σουβλακια)

Done

Ευχομαι μια χρονια με υγεια για ολους

24 minutes ago, Lazy Dog said:

GDDR5

GDDR4 ηθελα να γραψω  

8 minutes ago, UltraB said:

Εμένα γιατί κάτι μου λέει ότι οι 3αρες θα αρχίζουν από 300+€; 

Γιατι καπου εκει(λογικα) θα κατσει η μπιλια

Γατακια! Οταν βγαλει την 2030 με 3GB και GDDR5 να δω τι θα λεμε

18 minutes ago, honda22 said:

Να αρχίσω τη γκρίνια τώρα ή μετά που δεν με αφήνει να κάνω Log in το Gleam??

Γιατι να αυτοπεριοριζεσαι;;;

Ξεκινα απο τωρα 

400€ και οι ανεμιστηρες ειναι του 2ευρου

1 minute ago, fatalara said:

Αν βγαλεις το πανω κομματι θα εισαι 10 βαθμους κατω. Ειδικα το χειμωνα κανει μπαμ.

Το εχω απλα να καθεται επανω στις υποδοχες ωστε να αφηνει ενα μικρο κενο(αν δεν ειχα θεμα με τη σκονη στο σπιτι θα το ειχα βγαλει εντελως)

Λιγο δυσκολο το βλεπω να ειδε τοσο υψηλες θερμοκρασιες(εκτος κ αν μετρησε με την gpu καθετα τοποθετημενη)...

Εδω στο τωρινό evolv η Ti μου παραπανω απο 70(75 το καλοκαιρι) δεν επιασε ποτε...

Οπως κ να εχει θα ειναι το επομενο case

Επιτελους

3 minutes ago, virus777 said:

Ευχαριστούμε την nVidia που μας κάνει οικονομία...

.....για να μας τα παρει η intel

Για καποιον που δεν θελει να παρει POS κ δεν προκειται λογω της φυσης του επαγγελματος να συναλλασεται μεσω καρτας(τουλαχιστον για καμποσο καιρο ακομη), δεν ακουγεται ασχημο

Τουλαχιστον να μην φας το προστιμο οτι δεν εχεις

(εννοειται οτι συμφωνω με τις παραπανω τοποθετησεις)

Την ιδια απορια εχουμε οι περισσοτεροι....τι να πω, Austrian logic

Εγω παντως το εχω συνηθισει πια(καλα με σωνει το γεγονος οτι ψιλοταιριαζει το χρωμα τους με το κοκκινο theme που προτιμω)

Συν του οτι σε ξεπληρωνουν σε αποδοση κ ησυχια

Για οποιον εχει ορεξη για διαβασμα

(απο το ιδιο thread) - link

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Hi Guys,

 

Sorry to show up late to the party. I'm a moderator at TomsHardware and the author of the Intel Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html - mentioned earlier in this thread. I've been working on the topic of Intel processor temperatures for over 10 years, and have invested more than 5,000 hours of ongoing research and hands-on testing to help everyone understand this complicated topic. I've also been building, overclocking and modding PC's for over 20 years, and delidding since 3rd Generation Ivy Bridge. I'll say right up front that I do not have an Intel nondisclosure agreement, so I'm not constrained here, yet regardless of all my work, there's always more to learn about this topic.

 

I've spent the last several hours carefully reading through all 40 pages of this entire thread. I understand your frustrations, as our friends at Intel are prone to be somewhat vague and evasive, as if every statement has been pre-washed through the legal department. Nonetheless, there's a few items I'd like to bring to everyone's attention which will shed some light on the spiking and TIM problems, as well as clear up a few misconceptions, and perhaps offer a fresh perspective.

 

• Concerning the spiking problem, I noticed one item in particular that's been overlooked in this thread, which is "Speed Shift".

 

Spiking has always been present, however, as a few of you have already pointed out, it hasn't been so obvious on prior Generations due to several variables. Intel’s specification for Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) response time is 256 milliseconds, or about 1/4th of a second, so Core temperatures respond instantly to changes in load. Intel introduced Speed Shift technology with Skylake, then kicked it up a notch with Kaby Lake. Speed Shift was intended as an improvement over SpeedStep, so Speed Shift responds faster to changes in workload demands while being more energy efficient, but the downside is spiking. Also, excessive spiking is sometimes caused by unnecessary tray startups, processes and services, so it help to keep your software cleaned up.

 

Here's two links to our sister website, AnandTech, which describes Speed Shift:

 

Examining Intel's New Speed Shift Tech on Skylake: More Responsive Processors - Examining Intel's New Speed Shift Tech on Skylake: More Responsive Processors

 

Speed Shift v2: Speed Harder - Speed Shift v2: Speed Harder - Intel Launches 7th Generation Kaby Lake: 15W/28W with Iris, 35-91W Desktop and Mobile Xeo…

 

Speed Shift is also described in the Datasheets for 6th and 7th Generation processors in Section 4 - Power Management:

 

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/desktop-6th-gen-core-family-datasheet-vol-1.pdf

 

Datasheet, Vol. 1: 7th Gen Intel® Processor Family for S Platforms

 

It's interesting to note that as there's no distinction offered in BIOS between Speed Shift and SpeedStep, it can't be disabled or adjusted separately from SpeedStep. It may, however, be possible for Intel and it's motherboard partners to deploy microcode and BIOS updates to provide for different Speed Shift response levels and / or disable.

 

• Concerning the TIM problem:

 

The following is from "Silicon Lottery" - https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/delid - which is actually a real company based outside Houston, Texas, who tests, bins and professionally delids processors. The following is their figures on how much delidding typically improves Core temperatures on 3rd through 7th Generation Quad Core "K" variants, which will give you an idea of just how bad the TIM problem really is:

 

7th Generation ... Kaby Lake - 12° to 25°C

6th Generation ... Skylake - 8°C to 18°C

5th Generation ... Broadwell - 8°C to 18°C

4th Generation ... Devil's Canyon - 7°C to 15°C

4th Generation ... Haswell - 10°C to 25°C

3rd Generation ... Ivy Bridge - 10°C to 25°C

 

In all fairness, before we jump to any conclusions and send out the lynch mob to string up the guys at Intel, let's keep in mind that besides being expense conscious, they also have some of the finest PhD's, thermodynamicists and engineers in the world on their payroll, so let's consider the challenges and limitations they've come up against. Here's an article which details the drawbacks of soldering these small Die sizes:

 

The Truth about CPU Soldering - http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

 

• Concerning Intel's Thermal Specifications, there's a few of you who have some misconceptions, so let's get that cleared up.

 

Core temperature (Tjunction) is measured at the heat sources near the transistor "Junctions" inside each of the Cores by individual Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS). Tcase is instead a single external factory only measurement centered on the surface of the Integrated Heat Spreader where the cooler is seated, so Tcase is not Core temperature. If users look up their processor's Thermal Specification at Intel's Product Information website, they often don't read or understand the definition. Since there are many software utilities for monitoring Core temperature, users often confuse Tcase with Core temperature.

 

Core temperature (Tjunction) is higher than CPU temperature (Tcase) due to differences in the proximity of sensors to heat sources. Although Core temperature sensors are factory calibrated by Intel, the specification for DTS accuracy is +/- 5°C. This means deviations between the highest and lowest Cores can be up to 10°C, with Turbo Boost disabled and all Cores at the same speed. Sensors are typically more accurate at high temperatures to protect against thermal damage, but due to calibration issues such as linearity, slope and range, idle temperatures may not be very accurate.

 

Since the Digital Thermal Sensors (DTS) are at the heat sources, and the factory temperature measurement on the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) is not, there's a temperature "gradient" between DTS and IHS locations. This is why Core temperatures are higher than Tcase Thermal Specifications. At 100% Thermal Design Power (TDP), the gradient on Core 2 and Core i soldered processors through 2nd Generation is about 5°C, but the gradient on TIM'd 3rd through 7th Generation can be up to 25°C. This goes back to the TIM problem.

 

Tcase values aren't only measured, they're also calculated based on stock cooler TDP and processor TDP. Cooler models with different TDP values are packaged with different TDP processors. Several Generations of Quad Core CPU's at 77, 84, 88 and 95 Watts were packaged with a universal 95 Watt cooler. 6th and 7th Generation i5 and i7 "K" processors are 91 Watts, but the cooler is 130 Watts and is sold separately: Intel’s Skylake Cooler - http://vr-zone.com/articles/this-is-what-intels-first-cpu-cooler-for-skylake-looks-like/97189.html

 

Compared below are three Intel processor / cooler combinations with respect to TDP and Tcase Specifications:

 

Example 1: i7 2700K 95 Watts TDP / Cooler 95 Watts TDP / Difference 0 Watts / Tcase 72°C.

Example 2: i7 3770K 77 Watts TDP / Cooler 95 Watts TDP / Difference 18 Watts / Tcase 67°C.

Example 3: i7 6700K 91 Watts TDP / Cooler 130 Watts TDP / Difference 39 Watts / Tcase 64°C.

 

The higher the cooler TDP is from the processor TDP, the lower the Tcase Specification, just as when the stock cooler is replaced with a higher TDP aftermarket cooler, Core temperatures are lower. Tcase is based on different combinations of stock coolers and CPU's, which is why Specifications vary. The examples above suggest the 6700K is less thermally capable than the 2700K, which is misleading, because the 6700K has a higher Throttle temperature.

 

Mobile (laptop) processors don’t have an Integrated Heat Spreader, so they don’t have Tcase Specifications; only Tj Max. And since Intel changed the Thermal Specification for 7th Generation Desktop processors from Tcase to Tjunction (Tj Max), this standardizes Desktop and Mobile Specifications. Intel's long overdue change signifies that Tj Max is the limiting Thermal Specification; not Tcase. Your Tj Max Specification is shown in the monitoring utility "Core Temp" - http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp

 

Tj Max Specifications vary from 80°C to 105°C. Some processors Throttle at 80°C, while others become unstable over 80°C. Core i 6th and 7th Generation CPU's have Configurable TDP (cTDP) and Scenario Design Power (SDP) which can trigger Throttling as low as 80°C. Although most processors Throttle at 100°C (212°F), it’s not advisable to push your CPU to the thermal limit, just as you wouldn't operate a vehicle with the temperature gauge pegged in the red zone.

 

If your processor is at or near Throttle temperature, it’s already too hot. The consensus among highly experienced and well informed system builders and overclockers, is that cooler is better for ultimate stability, performance and longevity. As such, all agree that it's wise to observe a reasonable thermal limit below Tj Max. So regardless of your rig's environmental conditions, system configuration, workloads or any other variables, sustained Core temperatures above 80°C aren't recommended.

 

Guys, sorry for the long winded explanations, but in my experience, more information is better than not enough, since the essence of the topic is in the details. I hope this helps everyone in some way or another.

 

CompuTronix

 

Edit: My personal rig - Delidded 7700K @ 5.0 GHz, 1.373 Vcore, Cooler Master TPC 812 push-pull, hottest Core 73°C on P95 v26.6 Small FFT's @ 22°C Ambient, MSI Z270 Gaming M7, BIOS 1.3, negligible spiking.

Νομιζω οτι ειναι on the spot...και ειναι κ στενος συνεργατης τους

Λογαριασμο εχω εδω κ πολλα χρονια στην nvidia και παντα ειμαι logged in

Κ επειδη ειμαι αναποδος, η παλαια εκδοση μου αρεσε περισσοτερο

Οπως θα επρεπε να ειναι το 540

Μπραβο τους ομως γιατι οτι ειχε προτεινει η κοινοτητα, απο οτι βλεπω το εκαναν πραγματικοτητα

Εννοειται μολις ερθει Θεού θελοντος θα το τσιμπησω