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AMD today unveiled its next-generation Ryzen 7000 desktop processors, based on the Socket...

 

ωραία πραγματα αλλά αυτό το 15% αύξηση στο ipc σε σχέση με τον 5950Χ είναι κάπως λίγο για gaming. Αν κ οι 7000 θα τρέχουν στα 5+, όποτε η διαφορά θα ναι μεγαλύτερη.

Για gaming μόνο, βλέπω ο 3D να παίζει μπάλα με όλους τους νέους για καιρό ακόμα.

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1 ώρα πριν, το μέλος GFFermari έγραψε:
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AMD today unveiled its next-generation Ryzen 7000 desktop processors, based on the Socket...

 

ωραία πραγματα αλλά αυτό το 15% αύξηση στο ipc σε σχέση με τον 5950Χ είναι κάπως λίγο για gaming. Αν κ οι 7000 θα τρέχουν στα 5+, όποτε η διαφορά θα ναι μεγαλύτερη.

Για gaming μόνο, βλέπω ο 3D να παίζει μπάλα με όλους τους νέους για καιρό ακόμα.

Αν είναι 15% ipc , όλα καλά (σε συνδυασμό με τα ρολόγια θα δώσει πόνο)

 

ΔΥΣΤΥΧΩΣ ,η AMD αναφέρθηκε σε 15% αυξηση SINGLE THREAD, (που περιλαμβάνει ρολόγια μνήμες τα πάντα όλα). Αυτό σημαίνει ότι ούτε κατά προσέγγιση δεν θα χτυπήσουν τους alder lake στο gaming. Δεν σχολιάζω ότι ο raptor lake θα τους διαλύσει. Ελπίζω να μπλοφάρει η AMD.... Αν όχι, μιλάμε για τεράστια αποτυχία. Το μόνο θετικό ότι θα πρέπει να τους πουλάνε φθηνά.

 

ΥΓ εκτός αν η ΑΜD έχει κάνει κάποια άλλα μαγικά. Και ο 5800X3D έχει το ίδιο ipc με τον 5800Χ, αλλά στο gaming σπέρνει. Πάντως δεν δείξανε συγκριτικά με παιχνίδια και αυτό είναι ανησυχητικό ή θέλουν να πιάσουν την Intel στον ύπνο 

 

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Βάλανε διπλάσια L2 cache σε σχέση με τους 5000. 
Μπορεί να μη πιάσει τρελά νούμερα στο cpuz k cinebench ST κ να χάνει από alder lake αλλά σε gaming να τους περνάει.

 

 

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AMD just announced their new Zen 4-based Ryzen 7000 desktop processors. We sat down with AMD's Robert Hallock and asked him...

 

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16-core, 32-thread is the maximum core configuration for the Ryzen 7000 at launch?
That is correct.

At Computex, you showed a 15% single-thread performance gain over the Ryzen 9 5950X. Wouldn't that only put the gaming performance on par with 5800X3D?
I think it's too early to say actually. We were deliberately conservative with our number on single-thread performance. We do intend to publish the exact breakdown of IPC vs. frequency contribution later in the summer, also including performance, power, and area on the new process. As far as what stacks up against what, I think it's too early to say, we're still in silicon bring-up.

What are your thoughts on 3D Vertical Cache (3DV Cache) for Zen 4?
3DV Cache will absolutely be a continuing part of our roadmap. It is not a one-off technology. We are a big believer in packaging as a competitive advantage for AMD, something that could meaningfully enhance performance for people, but we have nothing specific to announce for Zen 4 yet.

 

Is integrated graphics standard on most SKUs?
IGP is standard. It's included on all 6 nanometer IO dies, which has a small number of compute units built in, specifically to enable video encode & decode and multiple display outputs. Integrated graphics is very relevant for the commercial market, where most of our CPUs have not had graphics, that's a big customer appetite, they don't buy discrete GPUs. Now we have a much richer portfolio of processors that can play into the commercial space. For enthusiasts, it will help diagnose a bad graphics card to get the system up and running when you're still waiting on the GPU to show up. The iGPU configuration [specifications] are consistent, and all of the CPUs will have it.

 

Why the new heatspreader design? Why the holes on the sides?
It's actually how we achieve cooler compatibility. If you flip over one of the AM4 processors, you'll find a blank spot in the middle without pins, which has space for capacitors. That blank space is not available on Socket AM5, it has LGA pads across the entire bottom surface of the chip. We had to move those capacitors somewhere else. They don't go under the heatspreader due to thermal challenges, so we had to put them on top of the package, which required us to make cutouts on the IHS to make room. Because of those changes we're able to keep the same package size, length and width, same z-height, same socket keep-out pattern, and that's what enables cooler compatibility with AM4.

Will AM4 coolers provide the optimum experience or just be "compatible"? i.e., will there be new cooler releases for AM5?
I think it's a little bit of both. We still intend to offer 65 W and 105 W CPUs even though the socket power limit has gone up to 170 W. Not every single processor will use that power envelope. Coolers designed for the 65 W and 105 W parts will be equally appropriate for AM5. For the 170 W socket power CPUs, I expect the existing higher-end air and liquid-cooling units to be perfectly fine, but there will probably be a wave of new solutions positioned as "designed for" these CPUs. Personally, I have a 5950X in my system on a Noctua NH-D15, and I fully intend to reuse that cooler on Socket AM5.

 

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The mention of "170 W" in one of the slides of AMD's Computex 2022 reveal of the upcoming Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" desktop processors...

 

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What we obviously don't know at this point is how much of a performance penalty there will be for AMD having two chipsets, especially when it comes to high-speed storage devices. We've seen some concerns about this implementation in virtualized environments and how these devices will appear to the OS in such a case, but we don't share those concerns. We expect the primary chipset to appear as PCIe bridge to the host system, a mechanism that is part of the specification and has been supported and used for many years. These are things we're going to have to wait and see how they play out, but AMD clearly deemed the tradeoffs reasonable enough versus the cost of developing multiple different chipsets.

 

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Ο κάτοχος ΑΜ4 εχει ήδη επιλογές. Δε χρειάζεται κάποιον 7600, 7700Χ για να κερδίσει 10% από τους υπάρχοντες. Οι μεγάλοι θεωρώ δεδομένο πως δεν υπάρχει πιθανότητα να μεταπηδήσουν σε ΑΜ4.

 

Θεωρώ λίγο απίθανο να φτιάξει lga k pga CPU’s την ίδια στιγμή.

 

το όλο νόημα του ΑΜ5 είναι τα pcie5 k ddr5. Δεν έχει νόημα να παίζεις νέο cpu με παλιά πλατφορμα. Η ιντελ που το έκανε, το έκανε 1+ χρόνια πριν που δεν υπήρχαν καν διαθέσιμες ddr5 στην αγορά.

 

Πυροβολεί το ΑΜ5 με τέτοια κίνηση. Το ΑΜ4 δε πεθαίνει επειδή βγαίνει ΑΜ5. Όλοι οι ζεν 1,1+,2 κλπ ψάχνονται για 5χιλιαρα κ 3D…

 

 

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